8-hour police interview video: silent gunman refuses to answer detective’s questions then eats Wendy’s burger
For eight hours after being taken into custody following the shooting in the Capital Gazette press room in June 2018, Jarrod Ramos sat stone-faced and mostly silent in an interrogation room from the Anne Arundel County Police Department, as a detective and FBI agent attempted to coax him into “telling your story.”
At one point, a detective brings Ramos a plain cheeseburger from Wendy’s at his request.
Detective Anne Arundel Kelly Harding and FBI Special Agent Autumn Brown are the only law enforcement personnel to interview Ramos after the shooting.
Several snippets of the approximately eight-hour video aired on the Anne Arundel County Circuit on Wednesday, the second day of Ramos’ trial. He pleaded guilty to the murders, but is not criminally responsible due to his mental illness.
After being discovered lying under a desk in the Capital Gazette newsroom, surrounded by some of the bodies of employees he shot and killed, Ramos was taken to the county criminal investigation division building in Crownsville, Maryland.
The attack took place shortly after 2:30 p.m. on June 28, 2018, and surveillance video timestamps show him sitting handcuffed to a small table at 3:40 p.m. that day.
Ramos is asked for his name several times.
“You obviously have a goal,” Harding told Ramos. “Don’t you want people to know your story?” “
Ramos refuses to identify himself but asks for water several times, and each time a cup of water is collected and placed in front of him.
At 4:19 p.m., an evidence-gathering technician takes photos of Ramos as he sits in the interrogation room. She takes pictures of her hands and stamps them for bullet residue samples.
“When was the last time you handled a gun? »Asks the technician. “What is your profession now? Hobbies? “
Ramos remains silent.
A few minutes later, he is changed into a Tyvek metal protective suit and his clothes are recovered as evidence.
At 4:36 p.m., Hardy presses him again for his name and other identifying information.
In a low voice, Ramos replies, “Why don’t you ask them? “
He then told her the names of two Capital Gazette employees – an editor, Rick Hutzell, and Tim Thomas, the editor.
The detective asks if Rick Hutzell is one of the people shot by Ramos. “As far as I know, Rick Hutzell is still alive,” Ramos said in a deep, deep voice.
Shortly before 6 p.m. that day, Hardy and the FBI agent discover Ramos’ identity and tell him, through court records, that they learned that he had filed a lawsuit against the newspaper.
At 6:12 p.m. Ramos tells Hardy he’s hungry and she takes his order from Wendy. Earlier, she had brought some snacks, but he referred to a peanut allergy.
Some of her more talkative comments on the video refer to her food allergies. He said his peanut allergy was the worst. “Technically, I have an allergy to milk, but I can tolerate it in small doses… I always eat cheese without excess,” he said.
At 7:08 p.m., Hardy arrives with his cheeseburger.
Hardy told defense lawyer Elizabeth Palan that she had no strategy to question Ramos.
“My strategy is to just listen to whatever someone wants to tell me,” she said.
But at 7:45 p.m., she said that she and the FBI agent decided to change their approach in their questioning of Ramos.
At first, Hardy seems to be trying to gain Ramos’ liking by mentioning times she felt the media – and the Capital Gazette, in particular – had not been fair to her or had misrepresented the facts.
“If you leave it to the media, they skew it and they shoot it how they want,” she said on the video. She later said that she was trying to get Ramos to speak not that she agreed with these statements.
She told Ramos the media was already getting false details about the attack and his arrest, referring to a first – erroneous – report that he attempted to alter his fingerprints so that he could not be identified.
“Like, where did they find this stuff?” ” she said.
In the video, Ramos appears to be smiling and even laughing. “Are you the anonymous source? He said to the FBI agent.
At 9:48 p.m., Hardy returns to the room to tell Ramos that she had spoken to Hutzell, the editor of Capital.
“I don’t know if you’re going to like it,” Hardy said. “Frankly, he didn’t even know your name. He has no idea why you have decided to come here today.
She added: “So if you have a story you have to tell it because they don’t even know you or even remember you or barely remember the trial.”
At 9:55 p.m., Harding and Brown, the FBI’s special agent, change sides again.
“Being nice didn’t work,” Hardy said. “Maybe we should be a little more forceful in our words.”
Brown notices how Ramos was found by officers apparently hidden under a desk.
Autumn Brown: “You’re laying there like a bitch,” she said.
Ramos doesn’t seem to react.
At 11:23 p.m. Hardy presented her with the statement of charges she had drafted, charging her with five counts of first degree murder. The video shows him holding the papers and reading them before placing them on the table.
At 11:40 p.m. Hardy is seen removing his shackles from his legs, so he can be transported to the West District Police Station for reservation – nearly eight hours per minute since detectives began questioning him .
During cross-examination of the detective, Deputy State Attorney David Russell noted that in addition to not answering the detective’s questions, the detective said that she had never seen Ramos exhibit any behavior. bizarre or repetitive.